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was going to become engaged through nato in ways that met our interest, i think, at the time, and got the job done. i thought it was smart. i thought the way he approached that was, in fact, very effective. and the results, obviously, were exactly what we wanted to achieve. we could tell if we did this, senator mccain you were deeply involved in that, we recommended no fly. we pushed for certain things, and those things were put into place. and it was affected without american boots being put on the ground at a time where we had just come out of iraq and we have american soldiers, largest number, in afghanistan. and so i think the american people approved of the way in which that was handled. now, the aftermath of all of these places -- i asked every member of the committee, we need to spend some time on this, all of us. there is a monumental transformation taking place. this is the biggest upheaval in that part of the world since the ottoman empire. since it came apart. as all of us know, many of the countries lines drawn, were drawn in relatively arbitrary fashion. people were put i
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